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Liu Yan: Recently, a netizen's pictures about his tourism trips posted on WeChat's friends circle, also known as the moment, has aroused heated public debate, as people think that he used donations that were supposed to save his daughter's life for recreational purposes. Are people too quick to judge? Or is it all right for them to question where the money has gone? So first of all, what exactly has happened?
LuoYu: Well, this father named A Yong, he lives in Guangdong Province and he revealed his pictures with his overseas trip with his family members on WeChat. And that actually aroused public debate because his daughter 乐乐 became ill from last July and was diagnosed a very very serious disease, and was sent to the intensive care unit in December. And unfortunately, his daughter died on 21st on December last year. And before entering the ICU, their medical expenses reached 20,000 yuan and 5 days in ICU cost them altogether nearly 60,000. So, they didn't have that amount of money, they resorted to 'Qing song chou轻松筹', literally translated into 'easy to raise money' in English, on online platform to raise money. And they had successfully collected more than 100,000 yuan online. At the same time offline, they raised another more than 40,000 yuan. Yet, later on, he posted his pictures with his family members to Tibet and Malaysia, and this has gone viral, because you know, people have accused them of using donation for personal, and to be exact, recreational purposes. And they are not so satisfied about this father.
Sam: Right, so first of all, 轻松筹，that 筹 means raise money, it's not that 丑 that means ugly. It's easy to be ugly for what I think in your website. Ok, so when we're looking at this case, there's a few things that come to mind. They went on this holiday, I think, reasonably quickly. Like after the daughter passed away, I don't know many people, coz you know, sadly I have relatives in my family passed away in the past. I remember during the time, the first thing my mom said like after my grandmother passed away was "Oh Sam, I'm so sad. I need to go on a holiday". That's not like a general reaction that people have to mourning. Like it really does, maybe question how genuine the situation was. Because normally when people are going for a stage of mourning, they are thinking they want to be alone, they want to be quiet. You know, they want to mourn the person that's just passed away. They don't mean, think I want a happy holiday to Tibet and Malaysia that to me just seems not very normal.
LuoYu: It's not normal. I think the person has to go through a certain stage of mourning. But he used donated money to go to Tibet. Of course, according to him and his wife, he said he just wish her daughter to be resting there in Tibet in peace. But how can you use the donors' money without consultation?
Sam: That's the real nuts and bolts, the meat and potatoes of the story, it's how should we use the money that was originally given to us for medical expenses that we now no longer need. Now the third thing that comes to my mind, is that we could redistribute the money back into "轻松筹". You know, we give it back to you guys, we give it to someone else who's going through a similar problem to the one that we had, and hope that it can help them with their family member. That to me seems like an honorable thing to do that I think most people that donated money to them would be reasonably happy with.
LuoYu: I agree, that's part of his plan as well. But altogether now unused donation is worth more than 40,000 and up to now, he used 7,000 in this 40,000 to donate back to the platform. So I raise the concern, I've been pondering over this when I was doing this research. How can you guarantee the transparency or the supervision in this process?
Sam: The other suggestion that I thought of is why not before I mean, obviously, it would've been too late, but what if they had asked the daughter about which charity she particularly liked, and then they invested the money in the charity of the daughter's choosing in her memory in the event that she passed away. As a sign of respect to the daughter first of all, and everyone that invested their hard-earned money to try to prolong her life, would that be acceptable?
Liu Yan: I think that would certainly be much more acceptable. And if, in fact, A Yong has done that, I don't think there will be as much controversy.
Luo Yu: That's just a mere assumption. I mean, how can you, as a father, dare to say to the daughter that once you die, how can we allocate the money?
Sam: No, no, you don't say once. Luo Yu, this is the problem with you, you are so black and white. (Luo Yu: But the doctor will figure out anyway) you don't wake up and say, now listen 'when you die, where do we send this money?' You don't say it like that. You say, listen, should God forbid, if the worse should happen, we've been donated a lot of money to help you I know it's uncomfortable, but I was thinking maybe we could donate the money in that event, should God forbid that happen, to a charity if you name. It's a particular charity you like. And she thinks Oh, a final act of kindness I could do in my life in that situation. She might actually welcome that idea. Presentation is really important there.
LuoYu: But I think when you are sparing every effort in rescuing your daughter's life, you didn't have any time to talk to her about this issue. How to allocate the donated money? Which charitable organization you prefer, once you die we can donate and donate back the money.
Sam: Oh stop it. Oh stop it. How many people pass away and then you've been talking about the wills and allocations of their personal property. (Luo Yu: It's a false analogy!) And what to do in terms of they die, who looks after the dog, where does the house go, what should we do with the car. These conversations happen across the world. For people that are passing away, it's a part of life.
Liu Yan: Ok, I love the fact you guys are both so enthusiastic, and so strong minded, (Luo Yu: Oh by the way, his daughter is an infant.)
Sam: Ok, I think I've...Ok.
Luo Yu: So what would you do then?
Sam: In this one situation, maybe that wouldn't work. But as a rule of thumb, it probably would.
Luo Yu: That's your rule of thumb. That's not mine.
Sam: No I'm not saying it's something we should all adopt. I just put out there something we could possibly talk about and consider.
Luo Yu: I think this person has to be morally responsible. He has to donate back, it's about the moral standards he or she has.
Sam: I fully agree. That's the exact point I'm making. Anything would've been better than spending it on a family holiday to Malaysia.
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