【有文稿】让最后7000万人脱贫

Jingnan: Mr. Barua, it has been reported that in 2014, only about 12 million people escaped from poverty in China, compared with about 43 million in 2011. So do you think the number shrink because there are fewer and fewer people still in poverty, or does it indicate that the final step in the next five years, for China – that is to lift all the remaining 70 million out of poverty – will be a very tough job? Dipal Barua: I think any poverty alleviation in the country we see the soft portion of population we can easily take out of the poverty, but the harder portion, the communication on a hilltop, or in a flood area, in the context of Bangladesh, so I think China, because I know there are some areas very in the mountain, so no access of road, and other infrastructure is not available, so it’s not the, only blaming the approach of the government but it is hard to raise them. But we need a kind of innovative and creative approach how to go to the last mile. Jingnan: Mm, well, Professor Liu, Mr. Barua sounds very positive. How about you, how do we address this last mile issue? Liu Baocheng: It is, easier for the first mile, because, when we introduce the household responsibility system, and the, every farmer are incentivized to work very hard and to decide on their crops, and now, the next step that we really require more of institutional reform by putting more of the farmers into a more dynamic and efficient way of, say, farm cooperatives and, to introduce more machineries and to make a more accessible of the information technology to the farmers, so these require actually innovative thinking at the government level, and also at the organizational level. It’s not simply, to, give more impetus for famers to work on the same plots of land, to work harder. Jingnan: So poverty relief will be a major issue for a key meeting later this month to set the course for China's development over the next five years. So what’s your suggestion for the 13th Five-Year Plan period in terms of further reducing poverty? Chen Xiaohua: Yeah, so one suggestion I have is transparency. So Chinese government spends every year, and four hundred billion of dollars in the poverty reduction program. We have to know where those money goes and what is the impact of the, spending. So the one thing, is, easy to do, based on the other countries’ experience is the transparency. If every, every project, every place, how much money you got and how much you spent in the each of the program, and in the each of the household. If you have all of those information public[ly] accessible, you can think about, and that will bring the efficiency and also, like what the use and the scandal happen in the Masan county and that will avoid, so that’s a big thing that we have to do.